BRITEX!!!

[acsinuk]

I trust that engineers realise that this referendum was not anti European but rather a protest vote about over regulation and lack of jobs both of which affect our economy adversely.

To overcome the first we need to simplify to one page maximum all regulations/directives and add government or EU recommendation on how the regulation could be achieved but these are not mandatory. The office of deputy prime minister did an excellent job in starting this off.

To provide more jobs now that we are so computer efficient means that we need to reduce the working week to just three and a half days per week and encourage a shift work system as NHS, supermarkets, large stores, service industries and spares already do. 6 to 2, and 2 till 10.

[Strange]

It is this sort of hopelessly naive attitude that allowed the exit campaign to win.

 

 

 

To overcome the first we need to simplify to one page maximum all regulations/directives and add government or EU recommendation on how the regulation could be achieved but these are not mandatory.

 

Do you really think that the regulations on automotive safety, for example, can be reduced to one page? Only if you abandon safety as a goal.

 

And if those safety regulations are not mandatory, then people will not implement them (because it is expensive) and we will see a massive rise in death on the roads. All to save a bit of red-tape. Well done.

 

 

 

To provide more jobs now that we are so computer efficient means that we need to reduce the working week to just three and a half days per week and encourage a shift work system as NHS, supermarkets, large stores, service industries and spares already do. 6 to 2, and 2 till 10.

 

Sounds like you will need a massive increase in immigration to support that. Probably not what the leave campaign was aiming for.

[Ten oz]

The collaspe of the pound and overall negative reaction from global markets is not a positive economic indicator. If this vote was about the economy and jobs many voted wrong. From the outside it seems like real policy took a back seat to the venting of fustration.

[michel123456]

I trust that engineers realise that this referendum was not anti European but rather a protest vote about over regulation and lack of jobs both of which affect our economy adversely.

 

To overcome the first we need to simplify to one page maximum all regulations/directives and add government or EU recommendation on how the regulation could be achieved but these are not mandatory. The office of deputy prime minister did an excellent job in starting this off.

 

To provide more jobs now that we are so computer efficient means that we need to reduce the working week to just three and a half days per week and encourage a shift work system as NHS, supermarkets, large stores, service industries and spares already do. 6 to 2, and 2 till 10.

Nothing of what you are proposing in your excuse is in the agenda and will happen.

If you vote no, it is NO.

After that you must support the consequences.

The bad thing about democracy is that the millions that voted Yes will have to support the consequences too.

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As a side note, if you voted No meaning Yes, you should ask yourself about senility.

[Endy0816]

UK adopt US regulations?

[imatfaal]

UK adopt US regulations?

 

The plan at the moment is to move to Edinburgh - cos say what you want about the Scots they are canny and would not / did not fall for the pack of lies that so many south of the border did. I was very opposed to the Scots leaving the Union - now I wouldn't blame them if they did and I might even join them.

 

US regulations - Gun Control, War on Drugs, etc. No thanks.

[Strange]

UK adopt US regulations?

 

 

We do have to adopt a lot of US regulations in order to sell products there. And in many cases (apart from those set by international standards bodies) we have no say in what the regs are.

 

Luckily, in Europe we can have some say in what standards and regulations are in force. Oh ...

[michel123456]

UK adopt US regulations?

Yes Farage has a plan to make the cars drive on the right side of the road. There will be a test for 3 months until the departure of Cameron. If the test is a success the measure will count for trucks too.

[Endy0816]

Yes Farage has a plan to make the cars drive on the right side of the road. There will be a test for 3 months until the departure of Cameron. If the test is a success the measure will count for trucks too.

I like it

[Sensei]

I trust that engineers realise that this referendum was not anti European but rather a protest vote about over regulation and lack of jobs both of which affect our economy adversely.

There is plentiful of jobs in the UK, otherwise emigrants would not be able to earn money.

But they're nasty, stupefying, not well paid, the one that UK natives do not want.

Without emigrants you will have to take them, whether you want or not.

Plates in fish&chips must be clean, whether you want or not.

Edited June 24, 2016 by Sensei

[Strange]

Plates in fish&chips must be clean, whether you want or not.

 

Plates? With fish 'n' chips? I don't think so. That is not the British way!

[Der_Neugierige]

As a Swiss I can understand why the EU is so unpopular. I mean it is very undemocratic and buracratic.

 

Despite this I am not sure if this will have good outcomes for UK to leave the EU.

 

But I have to say that most Europeans do not want to have a European superstate.

Edited June 24, 2016 by Der_Neugierige

[CharonY]

The thing is that many apparently do not understand the the EU and EU processes. For example, citizens have a direct influence on the European parliament. If people were concerned about having influence, they would be active in election. This is not what is happening.

[dimreepr]

 

The thing is that many apparently do not understand the the EU and EU processes. For example, citizens have a direct influence on the European parliament. If people were concerned about having influence, they would be active in election. This is not what is happening.

 

 

“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.” - Frank Herbert.

[michel123456]

To me arrogance is to blame. European arrogance.

Bureaucratic arrogance, people telling you constantly what to do, when and where. People who are constantly right: it is an error.

And especially when the "right thing to do" is something you don't like.

We put the blame on the British citizens. I like to do that too.

But at the same time, the europeans in charge (Mr Juncker, Schultz, Dijselbloem & others) should take a step back and ask themselves "what have we done wrong?".

And Mr Schauble too.

Edited June 24, 2016 by michel123456

[John Cuthber]

I trust that engineers realise that this referendum was not anti European but rather a protest vote about over regulation

If it was a protest vote then it was an astoundingly stupid one.

Writing off a tenth of the GDP just to make a political point is insane.

 

But it's worse than that- you know those regulations?- well, if you want to trade in the EU, you still need to follow them.

So you haven't removed any red tape there.

But what you have done is remove any influence we might have had on keeping it under control.

 

How did anyone think that looked like a good idea?

[dimreepr]

 

 

 

 

“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.” - Frank Herbert.

 

 

 

We often meet our destiny on the path we take to avoid it and fear dictates the route.

[MigL]

This is the last time you Brits get to tell Americans that they're voting with emotion and not their intellect.

[CharonY]

Darnit. See what you have done?

[Enthalpy]

[...] citizens have a direct influence on the European parliament [...]

 

And the European parliament has nearly zero power, despite being the only elected entity of the EU. It can't veto decisions by the Commission. It can't decide what laws it will debate. It can't dismiss the Commission. Paying some 1000 members plus their staff for that is an integral waste - or rather, I'd be happy to pay them for real action.

 

The EU is a creation by the national governments, so these have carefully kept all the power for them. The treaties and fundamental texts begin with "We, the governments..." and not with "We, peoples of Europe..." nor "We, the constituent assembly...". All decisions emanate from the national governments or the commissioners they have chosen, and then the national parliaments can't say a word neither. That's neither democratic nor efficient.

 

In France (less so in Germany), the EU serves mainly as an excuse for impopular measures decided by the national government. If the voters believe it even in 1% of all cases, no wonder they dislike the EU. Referendums overturned by the politicians also took their toll.

[Strange]

All decisions emanate from the national governments or the commissioners they have chosen, and then the national parliaments can't say a word neither. That's neither democratic nor efficient.

 

 

It is certainly democratic. Unless you live in a country where the government is not elected? It is far more democratic than a referendum, for example.

[Enthalpy]

[...] if you want to trade in the EU [...]

 

Trade in the Commonwealth instead?

 

I wonder if Australia is a good option in the near future, especially if Britain tightens the links again. I've so a feeling that the EU without the UK will be significantly poorer. The political parties emerging almost everywhere in Europe aren't to my taste neither. And Putin will at least try to grasp some parts of Europe, beginning with Transdniestria. Not a seducing future.

 

Separating from our old relatives, neighbours, and nevertheless friends - I'm stunned.

[Strange]

A few weeks ago, Farage said that a 52:48 result should result in another referendum: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017

 

There is now a petition to demand this: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

 

Somehow, I suspect Farage won't be signing it.

[CharonY]

 

And the European parliament has nearly zero power, despite being the only elected entity of the EU. It can't veto decisions by the Commission. It can't decide what laws it will debate. It can't dismiss the Commission. Paying some 1000 members plus their staff for that is an integral waste - or rather, I'd be happy to pay them for real action.

 

 

 

I disagree. While they cannot initiate laws, they can reject proposals. I.e. laws have to seek approvals from the parliament, which are directly elected officials and the European council, which are also (directly, or indirectly) elected by their respective countries. Moreover, it also has special legislative procedures in limited areas, in which Council or Parliament decide. And they also holds power over another important tool: the budgetary authority. Finally, they also influence the European commission as the Parliament has to approve each proposed member as well as the President. And it actually can dismiss the commission,- using a two-third majority. So it can actually do all those things, except initiate laws outside of the special legislative procedures (to my knowledge at least, correct me if I am wrong).

 

To me at least, this is a far cry from "no powers". However, there is a disjoint in accountability if people decide not to be engaged in the composition and changes within the parliament. In fact, it seems that populists (including anti-EU ones) are strangely more able to galvanize their base than many mainstream parties. And also it appears to me that most EU citizens are simply unaware of their power and influence over the EU.

I am not sure about current curricula, but I really wonder if the EU mechanisms are actually taught in school.

Edited June 24, 2016 by CharonY

[Sensei]

It is certainly democratic. Unless you live in a country where the government is not elected? It is far more democratic than a referendum, for example.

 

What are you talking about?

 

Referendum is not democratic?

 

There is plentiful ways, used especially for this purpose, by winning parties to screw up voting system, in the future elections. To assure the next election will go, the way they want.

You have to look closer to voting system details of country to see it.

f.e. not linear amount of seats, to amount of votes given on person, or introduction of minimum threshold.

Say we have 19 parties, with minimum threshold being 5%, and each of them receive 4.99%, while the all 19*4.99% = 94.81% of people voted on them.

And we have one party with 5.01% (with remaining 0.18% invalid votes). These 19 won't get to Parliament, while the one with 5.01% get in, and took 100% of seats...

How is that democratic.. ?

 

See who has the largest minimum threshold

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_threshold

russia and turkey...

7 and 10%

Edited June 24, 2016 by Sensei