Ultimate Infinity Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Now I suppose this is totally speculative but I was wondering what you guys all thought could be beyond space and time. It is very difficult for us to imagine what no space and time would be like but I know you are all kind of geniuses so I thought you would probably have some great ideas that may even have evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 I have read of the multi dimensional bulk space our universe's membrane is embedded within, not sure how much of that is horse apples though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajb Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 I have read of the multi dimensional bulk space our universe's membrane is embedded within, not sure how much of that is horse apples though... Still, this higher dimensional space forms part of the larger space-time. I would not say that it is 'beyond space and time'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memammal Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 (edited) It is very difficult for us to imagine what no space and time would be like Space and time, yes, that is easy to take in...but I don't think that many people know much about- or can imagine spacetime. Edited July 2, 2016 by Memammal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Infinity Posted July 2, 2016 Author Share Posted July 2, 2016 One idea that I that would feasible is a realm where it is just a state being no space or time of course really a thing would be possible though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Now I suppose this is totally speculative but I was wondering what you guys all thought could be beyond space and time. It is very difficult for us to imagine what no space and time would be like but I know you are all kind of geniuses so I thought you would probably have some great ideas that may even have evidence It's not possible to observe or understand, so just guess'. One idea that I that would feasible is a realm where it is just a state being no space or time of course really a thing would be possible though You may not understand why, but you're describing the bibles version of heaven. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 You may not understand why, but you're describing the bibles version of heaven. But doesn't "timeless" also mean "motionless"? I sure don't want to bring any more religious perspective into a science thread, but this doesn't seem right. I'm not sure why it's meaningful to imagine a realm that has no space or time. What is the relevance? What does this realm offer creatures based in realm with a geometry that has three spatial and one temporal dimension? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordred Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 I would think trying to describe something without change (time) and without space (volume). Can only be described as non existance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 But doesn't "timeless" also mean "motionless"? I sure don't want to bring any more religious perspective into a science thread, but this doesn't seem right. I'm not sure why it's meaningful to imagine a realm that has no space or time. What is the relevance? What does this realm offer creatures based in realm with a geometry that has three spatial and one temporal dimension? That was kinda my point. For me, heaven resides in life not death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdEarl Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Beyond spacetime sounds like further than either space or time exist. Since spacetime is expanding towards infinity, beyond spacetime must be towards infinity. Moreover, spacetime define our dimensions, and outside spacetime is dimensionally ambiguous. Without time motion cannot exist; thus, kinetic energy cannot exist. Without space, matter as we know it cannot exist. IMO we can understand "beyond spacetime" about as well as we understand infinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathematic Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 The question reminded me of a Dr. Seuss book - On Beyond Zebra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Infinity Posted July 3, 2016 Author Share Posted July 3, 2016 It's not possible to observe or understand, so just guess'. You may not understand why, but you're describing the bibles version of heaven. I did understand that but I didn't want to make this religious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbrush Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 (edited) ...I was wondering what you guys all thought could be beyond space and time..... I'm a proponent of the finite universe hypothesis. I think our universe or big bang was and remains finite in size and is only one of many, maybe an infinite number of big bangs contained within a higher structure called a multiverse which could be infinite in size. Beyond the finite edge of our universe is a realm of no time. It is timeless. Time comes into being only with a big bang. That is when "space" becomes "spacetime". "Spacetime" can be measured through changes it undergoes, but "space" does not change at all so no time exists, yet. Edited July 3, 2016 by Airbrush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granpa Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) Now I suppose this is totally speculative but I was wondering what you guys all thought could be beyond space and time. It is very difficult for us to imagine what no space and time would be like but I know you are all kind of geniuses so I thought you would probably have some great ideas that may even have evidence Beyond time is meaningless. Beyond space is a spaceless sea of khaos. A sea of simple entities (I call them singularities) interacting through a sort of entanglement Edited July 4, 2016 by granpa -3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajb Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Beyond space is a spaceless sea of khaos. A sea of simple entities (I call them singularities) interacting through a sort of entanglement What are you talking about? If this a pet theory then please don't post on it in the mainstream forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granpa Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 What else could possibly be beyond space? Where do you think strings come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajb Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 What else could possibly be beyond space? I am not sure what is meant by 'beyond space'. The notion of space-time is so deeply written into physics that it is hard to work without this notion. It maybe possible that a full quantum theory of gravity allows us to think of space-time as some natural limit of a noncommutative algebra. This is 'beyond space' is a sense. Where do you think strings come from? I don't follow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granpa Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 How do you explain entanglement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajb Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 How do you explain entanglement? I know how it works mathematically within standard quantum mechanics... But where has this come from? And what has it to do with strings and then 'beyond space-time'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granpa Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 you think entanglement works in and through space? it is clearly beyond space http://phys.org/news/2015-05-spacetime-built-quantum-entanglement.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajb Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) you think entanglement works in and through space? So what about strings? I would have to read the paper carefully and not just the pop-sci news. But it looks like they are arguing how to get a gravity theory carefully from the AdS/CFT correspondence. I am not sure if this is what one could mean by 'beyond space-time' as space-time is clearly there. Edited July 4, 2016 by ajb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel123456 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) Mathematics do not need spacetime to exist, I suppose. There may be other things: geometry maybe? If one could make an exhaustive list of "things" that do not need spacetime, that would be a good start. Edited July 4, 2016 by michel123456 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granpa Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) Entaglement doesnt need space Events are the indivisible atoms of existence Events interacting with one another by entanglement would be the logical thing to exist beyond space Edited July 4, 2016 by granpa -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Mathematics do not need spacetime to exist, I suppose. There may be other things: geometry maybe? Mathematically, space-time is just geometry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granpa Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Geometry = multidimensional math with an extra Axiom to define the length of the hypotenuse -2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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