Beyond spacetime

[Ultimate Infinity]

Now I suppose this is totally speculative but I was wondering what you guys all thought could be beyond space and time. It is very difficult for us to imagine what no space and time would be like but I know you are all kind of geniuses so I thought you would probably have some great ideas that may even have evidence

[Moontanman]

I have read of the multi dimensional bulk space our universe's membrane is embedded within, not sure how much of that is horse apples though...

[ajb]

I have read of the multi dimensional bulk space our universe's membrane is embedded within, not sure how much of that is horse apples though...

Still, this higher dimensional space forms part of the larger space-time. I would not say that it is 'beyond space and time'.

[Memammal]

It is very difficult for us to imagine what no space and time would be like

Space and time, yes, that is easy to take in...but I don't think that many people know much about- or can imagine spacetime.

Edited July 2, 2016 by Memammal

[Ultimate Infinity]

One idea that I that would feasible is a realm where it is just a state being no space or time of course really a thing would be possible though

[dimreepr]

Now I suppose this is totally speculative but I was wondering what you guys all thought could be beyond space and time. It is very difficult for us to imagine what no space and time would be like but I know you are all kind of geniuses so I thought you would probably have some great ideas that may even have evidence

 

 

It's not possible to observe or understand, so just guess'.

 

 

One idea that I that would feasible is a realm where it is just a state being no space or time of course really a thing would be possible though

 

 

 

You may not understand why, but you're describing the bibles version of heaven.

[Phi for All]

You may not understand why, but you're describing the bibles version of heaven.

 

But doesn't "timeless" also mean "motionless"? I sure don't want to bring any more religious perspective into a science thread, but this doesn't seem right.

 

I'm not sure why it's meaningful to imagine a realm that has no space or time. What is the relevance? What does this realm offer creatures based in realm with a geometry that has three spatial and one temporal dimension?

[Mordred]

I would think trying to describe something without change (time) and without space (volume). Can only be described as non existance

[dimreepr]

 

But doesn't "timeless" also mean "motionless"? I sure don't want to bring any more religious perspective into a science thread, but this doesn't seem right.

 

I'm not sure why it's meaningful to imagine a realm that has no space or time. What is the relevance? What does this realm offer creatures based in realm with a geometry that has three spatial and one temporal dimension?

 

 

That was kinda my point.

For me, heaven resides in life not death.

[EdEarl]

Beyond spacetime sounds like further than either space or time exist. Since spacetime is expanding towards infinity, beyond spacetime must be towards infinity. Moreover, spacetime define our dimensions, and outside spacetime is dimensionally ambiguous. Without time motion cannot exist; thus, kinetic energy cannot exist. Without space, matter as we know it cannot exist. IMO we can understand "beyond spacetime" about as well as we understand infinity.

[mathematic]

The question reminded me of a Dr. Seuss book - On Beyond Zebra.

[Ultimate Infinity]

 

 

It's not possible to observe or understand, so just guess'.

 

 

 

 

You may not understand why, but you're describing the bibles version of heaven.

I did understand that but I didn't want to make this religious

[Airbrush]

...I was wondering what you guys all thought could be beyond space and time.....

I'm a proponent of the finite universe hypothesis. I think our universe or big bang was and remains finite in size and is only one of many, maybe an infinite number of big bangs contained within a higher structure called a multiverse which could be infinite in size. Beyond the finite edge of our universe is a realm of no time. It is timeless. Time comes into being only with a big bang. That is when "space" becomes "spacetime". "Spacetime" can be measured through changes it undergoes, but "space" does not change at all so no time exists, yet.

Edited July 3, 2016 by Airbrush

[granpa]

Now I suppose this is totally speculative but I was wondering what you guys all thought could be beyond space and time. It is very difficult for us to imagine what no space and time would be like but I know you are all kind of geniuses so I thought you would probably have some great ideas that may even have evidence

 

Beyond time is meaningless.

 

Beyond space is a spaceless sea of khaos.

A sea of simple entities (I call them singularities) interacting through a sort of entanglement

Edited July 4, 2016 by granpa

[ajb]

Beyond space is a spaceless sea of khaos.

A sea of simple entities (I call them singularities) interacting through a sort of entanglement

What are you talking about? If this a pet theory then please don't post on it in the mainstream forum.

[granpa]

What else could possibly be beyond space? Where do you think strings come from?

[ajb]

What else could possibly be beyond space?

I am not sure what is meant by 'beyond space'.

 

The notion of space-time is so deeply written into physics that it is hard to work without this notion.

 

It maybe possible that a full quantum theory of gravity allows us to think of space-time as some natural limit of a noncommutative algebra. This is 'beyond space' is a sense.

 

Where do you think strings come from?

I don't follow?

[granpa]

How do you explain entanglement?

[ajb]

How do you explain entanglement?

I know how it works mathematically within standard quantum mechanics...

 

But where has this come from? And what has it to do with strings and then 'beyond space-time'?

[granpa]

you think entanglement works in and through space?

 

it is clearly beyond space

http://phys.org/news/2015-05-spacetime-built-quantum-entanglement.html

[ajb]

you think entanglement works in and through space?

So what about strings?

 

I would have to read the paper carefully and not just the pop-sci news. But it looks like they are arguing how to get a gravity theory carefully from the AdS/CFT correspondence. I am not sure if this is what one could mean by 'beyond space-time' as space-time is clearly there.

Edited July 4, 2016 by ajb

[michel123456]

Mathematics do not need spacetime to exist, I suppose.

There may be other things: geometry maybe?

If one could make an exhaustive list of "things" that do not need spacetime, that would be a good start.

Edited July 4, 2016 by michel123456

[granpa]

Entaglement doesnt need space

 

Events are the indivisible atoms of existence

 

Events interacting with one another by entanglement would be the logical thing to exist beyond space

Edited July 4, 2016 by granpa

[Strange]

Mathematics do not need spacetime to exist, I suppose.

There may be other things: geometry maybe?

 

Mathematically, space-time is just geometry.

[granpa]

Geometry = multidimensional math with an extra Axiom to define the length of the hypotenuse