best system

[ydoaPs]

i think that capitalism sux, because people are lazy and/or greedy. if they weren't, then it wouldn't be too bad. if people weren't lazy and/or greedy, then communism would be the best system.

 

i think that a military-esque system with incentives would work the best in real life. everyone is rationed a house, vehicle, clothing, ect. food would be distributed in a mess hall type manner. you may be saying "how would all of this be paid for?," but this system wouldn't use money. resources are put where needed. working hard earns privilage points, but being lazy earns you nothing and posiibly negative points. when you get so many points, you can do something special, say take a two week vacation.

 

just my two cents. feel free to dicuss, call me an idiot, whatever.

[budullewraagh]

pandora's box has been reopened

[-Demosthenes-]

What kind of government do we need for something like that? Totalitarianism. What happens when that kind of government is set up? I assure you, bad stuff.

[Sayonara]

Sayotopia.

 

It's the only way forward.

 

 

(You may also see it referred to as Davocracy, or Blikanomics.)

[ydoaPs]

where are you getting dictator from? i think it should be a democratic republic. once again, my two cents.

[atinymonkey]

where are you getting dictator from? i think it should be a democratic republic.

 

America is a democratic republic, so I'm guessing you mean something else.

[Phi for All]

Sayotopia.

 

It's the only way forward.

But it's hard on the knees.

everyone is rationed a house' date=' vehicle, clothing, ect. food would be distributed in a mess hall type manner.[/quote']So you're calling for a kind of minimum subsistance that eliminates the need for welfare. Can I assume healthcare is included in this scenario?

 

Also, you call it "a military-esque system", witha representative government. How would the military be run, volunteer or mandatory service?

[Hellbender]

i think that capitalism sux, because people are lazy and/or greedy. if they weren't, then it wouldn't be too bad. if people weren't lazy and/or greedy, then communism would be the best system.

 

I agree with you, communism was originally concieved as the perfect government. But I agree with you about the human element. Communism would be fine if people weren't, well, people. If people were perfect, would we really need governments?

[bascule]

The system is trying for balance, and I think all we'll see now are hybrid models with varying degrees of socialism vs. capitalism. If you start deviating away towards pure socialism or Laissez Faire capitalism you will begin angering/alienating a growing sector of the population.

[ydoaPs]

America is a democratic republic, so I'm guessing you mean something else.

 

how does america being a democratic republic make you think that i mean something else?

[-Demosthenes-]

How do you expect people to work for "common good"?? If you give people what they need, then why would they work?? You can't have a democratic republic; you have to have a totalitarialist government. You'd have to take away everyone's freedom, and there are a lot of people that are kind of use to this freedom, it might upset some people!

 

One of Demo's equations (patent pending)

Communism=Totalitarianism=No Freedom=Not Happy

[ydoaPs]

what the hell makes you think that it HAS to be totalitarian? the points, that is why people work. if you get so many points, you get a reward, if you get negative so many points, then you get a punishment. points are non-transferable.

[atinymonkey]

how does america being a democratic republic make you think that i mean something else?

 

 

Oh I don't know. Perhaps it was something you said: -

 

i think that capitalism sux' date=' because people are lazy and/or greedy. if they weren't, then it wouldn't be too bad. if people weren't lazy and/or greedy, then communism would be the best system.

[/quote']

 

Kinda rules out democratic republic, you muppet.

[In My Memory]

i think that capitalism sux, because people are lazy and/or greedy. if they weren't, then it wouldn't be too bad. if people weren't lazy and/or greedy, then communism would be the best system.

How does communism nullify human greed in way that capitalism could not? And how does communism suddenly nullify feelings of laziness in a way that capitalism could not?

 

I think the reason why capitalist countries thrive is because the greed of business owners is constantly kept in check by the greed of competitor business owners. On the other hand, communist countries dont fair so well because it tends to end in cases where one persons greed is unchecked by competitive forces, lending very easily to totalitarianism.

 

So, in a philosophical sense, you are correct. Pragmatically, you are utterly wrong.

[-Demosthenes-]

what the hell makes you think that it HAS to be totalitarian? the points, that is why people work. if you get so many points, you get a reward, if you get negative so many points, then you get a punishment. points are non-transferable.

What the he!! makes you think that people will work for "points" when they could work for MONEY!

 

And you dispute the first part of my equation communism=totalitarianism.

How are you going to enforce this communist government? No comunist goernment has EVER worked without a totalitarialist government to MAKE the people do what they are suppose to. And I think we've esstablished that totalitarianism= Not Happy.

everyone is rationed a house, vehicle, clothing, ect. food would be distributed in a mess hall type manner.

Um, how do you expect people to accept this? You could get poorer classes to accept, but richer (and more powerful) and even most middle class citizens would not sacrifice ALL possibilities for advancement for a rationed house, vehicle, clothing, and ect.

You also get rid of all individualism. Everyone is the same. People respond to that well, especially young people, and super especially people with the heritage of the Revolutionary War.

[ydoaPs]

Um, how do you expect people to accept this? You could get poorer classes to accept, but richer (and more powerful) and even most middle class citizens would not sacrifice ALL possibilities for advancement for a rationed house, vehicle, clothing, and ect.

they will once the program begins. when money is worthless, it is kinda pointless to work for it or try to use it.

You also get rid of all individualism.

how so?

[-Demosthenes-]

The point is that no one would want a program like that, they would rather have money, that is accepted world wide, than some point thing that may give you some vacation or something.

 

How do you get rid of individualism? Well you ration everything out, everyone has the same thing, everyone has the same chances. You wanted everyone to eat in a mess hall? You are restricting WAY too much freedom and expression.

[ydoaPs]

i don't think you understand. they can choose color/design of their items. it isn't like everone has to wear a uniform.

 

the mess hall wouild be more like a college cafeteria with several restaurants and a large eating area. like a big food court.

[ydoaPs]

you keep assuming that no one would go for this system. why is that? what about very poor countries like many of the African or South American nations?

 

what if there comes another great depression? people would love to have a stable economic system. how do you think Hitler came into power, Communism became popular, ect.?

[-Demosthenes-]

you keep assuming that no one would go for this system. why is that? what about very poor countries like many of the African or South American nations?

 

what if there comes another great depression? people would love to have a stable economic system. how do you think Hitler came into power' date=' Communism became popular, ect.?[/quote']

Okay poor countries want this program. Poor countries have no power, the whole world is not going to change like this, rich (the powerful ones) won't want to. If you don't have the whole world changing to a no money system then the governments that had the system would still have to deal with foreign trade, and other things like that. It's would never work.

 

What if there is another great depression? If would have to be alot worse than the one we had last time (1930's) to push the world into a system like this.

[Kylonicus]

I think the best kind of system would be a system where humans are controlled by one AI entity, all with chips in their brains.

 

This way, there is no crime, there is no laziness, there is no unhappiness.

 

People don't feel like their freedom is being imposed upon, because they want to do what the entity tells them, due to pleasure/pain impulses.

[In My Memory]

I think the best kind of system would be a system where humans are controlled by one AI entity' date=' all with chips in their brains.

 

This way, there is no crime, there is no laziness, there is no unhappiness.

 

People don't feel like their freedom is being imposed upon, because they want to do what the entity tells them, due to pleasure/pain impulses.[/quote']

They will all be assimilated!!

 

[-Demosthenes-]

I think the best kind of system would be a system where humans are controlled by one AI entity' date=' all with chips in their brains.

 

This way, there is no crime, there is no laziness, there is no unhappiness.

 

People don't feel like their freedom is being imposed upon, because they want to do what the entity tells them, due to pleasure/pain impulses.[/quote']

Yep, no crime, no lazyness. That's good. Too bad there aren't any people. But those computers with legs are sure havng a good time.

[ydoaPs]

Okay poor countries want this program. Poor countries have no power' date=' the whole world is not going to change like this, rich (the powerful ones) won't want to. If you don't have the whole world changing to a no money system then the governments that had the system would still have to deal with foreign trade, and other things like that. It's would never work.

 

What if there is another great depression? If would have to be alot worse than the one we had last time (1930's) to push the world into a system like this.[/quote']

 

back to the thread. i think if it were up to a vote, this system would have a fair chance. it wouldn't change the daily lives much of anyone but the rich and poor. poor would have a better life and it isn't like they would be taking anything from the rich. there are far more poor and middle class than rich.

[Kylonicus]

Imagine, one mind, one conciousness, and at the say time individuality.

 

There would be no crime, no hate, no injustice. No poverty, for poverty could be prevented. With chips implanted and two way communicators, we would have access to an infinite wealth of knowledge, and we could solve problems like never before.

 

The entity would orchestrate all people to work in harmony, it's the only way we could possibly live in harmony.

 

People have free will, so long as it's in the dictates of the AI entity. The AI entity wouldn't want people not to object to it's design, because through criticizing it's design, the entity would learn how to make it better, so that it could better for it's citizens. Everything would be for us. A protector, a guardian, immortality.

 

Your conciousness never leaves the entity, and you can be given a new body when this one dies.