best system

[chatlack]

You can kill everybody instead of this.. Livings are addicted to freedom....

[Phi for All]

i think if it were up to a vote, this system would have a fair chance. it wouldn't change the daily lives much of anyone but the rich and poor. poor would have a better life and it isn't like they would be taking anything from the rich. there are far more poor and middle class than rich.

The richest 10% have more money than the bottom 90%. You would have to unite 90% of the people for a vote, while the richest people only have to convince 10% of the people to spend enough to squash your efforts and maintain the status quo. Don't forget that those 10% control the major media.

[Kylonicus]

Think, no war, no fighting, absolute peace and harmony.

 

People could focus their minds on intellectual creative pursuits which the AI entity would find difficult, while the AI entity would take care of meanile labor.

 

The AI entity would exist to serve US. We would exist with seperate conciousness, however if I decided I wanted to assault you, the AI entity would prevent me from attacking you, even if there was no reprocussion.

 

Also, if there was an entity, connected to our minds, we wouldn't be able to hide any crime, which means that we could never commit an immoral act without others knowing about it.

 

We would be seen as what we are, and not as what we pretend to be. Purity of heart would be valued, versuses the appearance.

 

Perception would be less important than reality. Unlike the way it is now, which is the reverse(so far as it comes to social settings).

[chatlack]

That is impossible and terrible...

I prefer war for all my life with freedom. No fight means no thought , no life.

 

Also you must know that everything exist with its anti-thing. If there is no war, you wouldnt know what peace is. You only get happy when you get over any sickness...Without these you dont know happiness.

 

And I dont see any reason that human kind must live. We can die and there will be nothing important for reality. Our death also is not any solution for system because any living thing will born as the time goes on...

 

While writing these, I again find myself in space and again I saw the reality that life (also existence of matter) is reasonless , which I hate knowing. I prefer a life without thinking anything , brainless watching tv...

 

Ahhh....ah....

[-Demosthenes-]

Think' date=' no war, no fighting, absolute peace and harmony.

 

People could focus their minds on intellectual creative pursuits which the AI entity would find difficult, while the AI entity would take care of meanile labor.[/quote']

How would it take care of meanile labor? Ah, this "AI" would control some people, how nice. Now we have a slave class, good job, it only took hundreds of years to turn away from slavery last time...

 

The AI entity would exist to serve US. We would exist with seperate conciousness, however if I decided I wanted to assault you, the AI entity would prevent me from attacking you, even if there was no reprocussion.

So, we would all be brainless masses of flesh controled by computers, Yaa.

 

Also, if there was an entity, connected to our minds, we wouldn't be able to hide any crime, which means that we could never commit an immoral act without others knowing about it.

Oo, no privacy either, its not like we want privacy, we only put in the Bill of Rights, no big deal.

 

We would be seen as what we are, and not as what we pretend to be. Purity of heart would be valued, versuses the appearance.

Yep, all these masses of flesh that are completely controled by a copmuter will respect each other, hurrah.

Perception would be less important than reality. Unlike the way it is now, which is the reverse(so far as it comes to social settings).

Who cares, we would all be robot slaves any way.

[Guest Dak Giles]

Forget the countries, religions, etc. - one thing I know - we are all citizens of the earth.

 

One quarter of the money spent on the world's miltary budget would provide adequate food, water, shelter, and clothing for everyone - think what could be done with the remaining three quarters!

 

Greed and other agendas blind us. As Kurt Vonnegut Jr. so elequently put it - hi, ho...

[-Demosthenes-]

Human beings always form groups with common enemies, if there is no common enemy then the group breaks down. This explains why during war The U.S. tends to move towards the right politically, they come together. We have a system in the world with many Nations, and alliances, all poised against each other in a balance. If we were all united as a world, it would break down, because we would have no common enemy.

Maybe this common enemy could be poverty or war, but these are more complicated concepts for ordinary citizens to concentrate their efforts on, they can better rally against another group of people than concepts like poverty of war.

 

Anyway, I think that the only way that a government can work is with the general public being able to participate. People in large groups kind of keep each other in check. So the citizens can keep the government in check, because large groups of people are far fairer than individuals. I think that the free media is also a part of that, because they tell the people what is going on and what the government is doing (you know, usually).

[Kygron]

... working hard earns privilage points' date=' but being lazy earns you nothing and posiibly negative points. when you get so many points, you can do something special, say take a two week vacation.

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So why is this NOT capitalism?

[Dapthar]

i think that capitalism sux' date=' because people are lazy and/or greedy. if they weren't, then it wouldn't be too bad. if people weren't lazy and/or greedy, then communism would be the best system.

[/quote']You might also want to add that the particular variant of capitalism practiced in the US is largely powered by ignorance and gullibility. Thus, a population consisting largely of educated individuals would be a detriment to the system, so those in power have a vested interest in keeping people stupid.

 

In that same vein, I assert that short of extremes like dictatorships, almost any economic/governmental system would prove to be an effective benefit to those it governs over, as long as the system has a vested interest in enabling the majority of the populace to obtain a proper education. The mandatory school attendance until age sixteen that is enforced in the US is a start, but only that, since the large difference in the quality of education between public schools almost negates this mandate.

 

However, a revamp of the public schools in the US unlikely to go beyond feckless legislation since that lovely version of capitalism practiced in the US creates economic benefits for restricted access to adequate educational resources, as is evidenced in the proliferation of private high schools.

 

People in large groups kind of keep each other in check. So the citizens can keep the government in check, because large groups of people are far fairer than individuals.

I highly doubt this is true. If it was, how do you explain the majority of Americans doing nothing to halt despicable causes such as slavery from the 1600s to the early 1800s, the forced appropriation of Native American land in the 1800s?

 

I propose a much more cynical premise: As long as whatever changes the government makes doesn't cause a significant drop in the average citizen's quality of life, then they will do nothing to oppose it.

[Kylonicus]

Exactly, we are controlled right now by one form of control, why not have another? Which one brings the highest quality of life?

 

In an AI ruled government, you can think for yourself, you can feel, and even hate the government. The governments job is to protect you, and make sure your taken care of. It's not going to eradicate you, or imprison you. The only way that it would is if you started becoming a danger to yourself or others i.e terrorist. Those individuals we want locked up anyway.

 

It's not like your a complete drone. Your only a drone soasfar as protecting you from yourself, and protecting you/others from each other.

 

It would also sometimes impose on your life for the greater good, and to make your personality a better one.

 

There are 4 ways of motivating people, theres reward, theres punishment, theres the lie, and then theres mind control. By keeping these things as abstract as possible, we can eliminate their real cost and focus on goals which are more important. Then once those more important goals are taken care of we can focus on whatever we want.

 

The more important goals are taking care of EVERYONE's needs. Everyones got them. We all need the same things, food, water, shelter, sometimes medical care, love, purpose, meaning. Without these things everyone fails. If everyone had them, then the greatest amount of marginal utility would be gained, nobody would really suffer.

[-Demosthenes-]

I highly doubt this is true. If it was, how do you explain the majority of Americans doing nothing to halt despicable causes such as slavery from the 1600s to the early 1800s, the forced appropriation of Native American land in the 1800s?

No, this explains why something did happen. The ends of things like slavery mark the beginnings of control by the masses.

...conformed to whats sold through brainwashing techniques through media or "mediums"...

Only people stupid enough to believe everything they hear.

[chatlack]

THE BEST SYSTEM is nature itself. You can do whatever you want but you cant exit the rule of nature(equal to universe rules)

 

And the best life is being in bad position and never reach the good. Only work and fight for it although you know you cant.

You can fight for peace knowing you cant reach it...

 

So your life passes as the best and with no spent time also with no thought of another mission and without boring times....

 

Also you can be a soldier who had an quick and full life... Humans who only live like a pet is not good for me...Eat, sleep, go to wc (!) This regularity sucks..

[-Demosthenes-]

It's not like your a complete drone. Your only a drone soasfar as protecting you from yourself, and protecting you/others from each other.

Inhibit all negative behavoirs, that would dramatically impair the human mind.

[Chatha]

Capitalism is not the best because it creates huge amounts of poverty as the rich get richer, and in order to curb inflation you have to choice but to accept this, and usually the rich do get richer in a capitalist system. Safe to say Capitalism is a rich man's system. On the other hand socialism creates a mundane economy and society. Socialism also places a huge burden on the providing goverment, and through history no group of body can handle such responsibility efficiently. I think the best form of government is currently capitalism, but where every educated man and woman to take a turn as president. That way power stays with the people, this is true democracy and your mum will be proud.

[DrTom]

I think it's time in this thread to mention balance again. It looks like both communism and capitalism lead to totalitarianism, just capitalism takes longer to get there. Neither one goes far alone. Balance, anyone?

[Pangloss]

I don't know where you live, but I think "balance" is what we have now, at least in my country. Not that it's perfect, but IMO the problems in the US are, by and large, due to bad behavior and political grandstanding, not flaws inherent in the system.

[-Demosthenes-]

Yes, it's not failing capitalism, there are some socialist elements to it. I've seen no evidence that the government is spiraling into totalitarianism.

[atinymonkey]

Yes, it's not failing capitalism, there are some socialist elements to it. I've seen no evidence that the government is spiraling into totalitarianism.

 

Hmmm. No evidence? Out of the billions of Americans the son of a Senator becomes President, his first born become a Senator and is followed into presidential office almost immediately by his second son (against the popular vote). That's democracy in action is it?

 

Seems a little fishy to me. But hey, I guess thats what you get from a MTV Democracy.

[Pangloss]

Fallacy of distraction. 10 points from Slitherin!

[Phi for All]

It looks like both communism and capitalism lead to totalitarianism, just capitalism takes longer to get there.

The desire to be the ones holding the last reserves of oil may be leading US industries to manipulate our democracy into totalitarian leanings, but I don't think it's inherent in the system of capitalism. If the voters let the worst happen, then it will happen.

[Sayonara]

Also you must know that everything exist with its anti-thing. If there is no war, you wouldnt know what peace is.

And yet you'd still have it.

 

Perhaps you should have thought that through...

[-Demosthenes-]

Out of the billions of Americans

Billions? No where near, high estimates are at 300 milion.

the son of a Senator becomes President, his first born become a Senator and is followed into presidential office almost immediately by his second son (against the popular vote). That's democracy in action is it?

They were elected. Is it weird that politics run in some families?? If you don't want them to be senator or president then vote against them. If you don't like the electorial college then vote for reps and senators that are against it.

[Pangloss]

10 points to Gryffindor!

[Phi for All]

IMO the problems in the US are, by and large, due to bad behavior and political grandstanding, not flaws inherent in the system.

In the hopes that you'll stop playing Quiddage ( ), let me ask you this: Many US companies have been merging to form huge conglomerates that wield immense political clout and also tend to stifle free enterprise and competition. How can we keep big business from creating another Church vs State-type problem when they have more resources and political cohesiveness?

[-Demosthenes-]

Elect another TR!

That old Trust Bus'in cowboy.