Buket Posted August 24, 2016 Posted August 24, 2016 Is the connection between quantum physics and conciousness quantum woo?
Buket Posted August 24, 2016 Author Posted August 24, 2016 Thus far, yes.Yes but some founders of QM don't think so..how come?
elfmotat Posted August 24, 2016 Posted August 24, 2016 Yes but some founders of QM don't think so..how come? For example? Usually this comes down to misunderstanding what is meant by "observer." I don't think consciousness has ever seriously been considered as relevant to QM.
Buket Posted August 24, 2016 Author Posted August 24, 2016 For example? Usually this comes down to misunderstanding what is meant by "observer." I don't think consciousness has ever seriously been considered as relevant to QM. Erwin Schrödinger, Max Plank..
StringJunky Posted August 24, 2016 Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) For example? Usually this comes down to misunderstanding what is meant by "observer." I don't think consciousness has ever seriously been considered as relevant to QM. Consciousness is an emergent property of countless molecules i.e big or macro stuff. Quantum is about nano-sized stuff, is it not? I don't think quantum at that scale with stuff as big as a brain, does it. Edited August 24, 2016 by StringJunky
Strange Posted August 24, 2016 Posted August 24, 2016 Erwin Schrödinger, Max Plank.. What exactly did they say?
swansont Posted August 24, 2016 Posted August 24, 2016 Yes but some founders of QM don't think so..how come? Which ones, and what is their disagreement?
Buket Posted August 24, 2016 Author Posted August 24, 2016 What exactly did they say? Max planck: I regard conciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as a derivative from conciousness.
Strange Posted August 24, 2016 Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) Max planck: I regard conciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as a derivative from conciousness. As you are too lazy to provide a reference, I'll do it for you: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Max_Planck That appears to be a general philosophical position which doesn't necessarily have anything to do with quantum theory. This is a very old idea, known as idealism, that has been supported by many people. For example, Bishop Berkeley: whose primary achievement was the advancement of a theory he called "immaterialism" (later referred to as "subjective idealism" by others). This theory denies the existence of material substance and instead contends that familiar objects like tables and chairs are only ideas in the minds of perceivers, and as a result cannot exist without being perceived. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Berkeley In other words, long before quantum theory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism Edited August 24, 2016 by Strange
Buket Posted August 24, 2016 Author Posted August 24, 2016 As you are too lazy to provide a reference, I'll do it for you: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Max_Planck That appears to be a general philosophical position which doesn't necessarily have anything to do with quantum theory. This is a very old idea, known as idealism, that has been supported by many people. For example, Bishop Berkeley: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Berkeley In other words, long before quantum theory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism Then these scientists do not support this idea with science, right?
Strange Posted August 24, 2016 Posted August 24, 2016 Then these scientists do not support this idea with science, right? That's right. It is purely philosophy.
pzkpfw Posted August 25, 2016 Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) From: http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/96731-shaping-reality/ It doesn't matter how often you ask the same question, the answer is still no. (Of course in this thread the question is reversed.) Edited August 25, 2016 by pzkpfw 1
elfmotat Posted August 25, 2016 Posted August 25, 2016 Consciousness is an emergent property of countless molecules i.e big or macro stuff. Quantum is about nano-sized stuff, is it not? I don't think quantum at that scale with stuff as big as a brain, does it. It's pretty hard to argue at this point that consciousness is anything other than some emergent property of information processing in the brain. And I agree, quantum phenomena is only relevant at scales much smaller than that of neurons. 1
StringJunky Posted August 25, 2016 Posted August 25, 2016 It's pretty hard to argue at this point that consciousness is anything other than some emergent property of information processing in the brain. And I agree, quantum phenomena is only relevant at scales much smaller than that of neurons. Cheers.
Buket Posted August 25, 2016 Author Posted August 25, 2016 Why do you think founders of QM are very öuch into conciousness issue?
Strange Posted August 25, 2016 Posted August 25, 2016 Why do you think founders of QM are very öuch into conciousness issue? Perhaps because they were German and idealism was a hot topic in Germany at the time.
swansont Posted August 25, 2016 Posted August 25, 2016 Why do you think founders of QM are very öuch into conciousness issue? Why is this in the present tense? The founders of QM are dead.
Strange Posted August 25, 2016 Posted August 25, 2016 Why is this in the present tense? The founders of QM are dead. Or are they ...
Buket Posted August 25, 2016 Author Posted August 25, 2016 Why is this in the present tense? The founders of QM are dead.Good catch
swansont Posted August 25, 2016 Posted August 25, 2016 Murderer! Technically no. I only frightened them half to death.
Delta1212 Posted August 25, 2016 Posted August 25, 2016 Technically no. I only frightened them half to death. So they're simultaneously half-dead and radioactive?
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