If God created the universe, then who created God?

[freekundli]

Hello Guys,

If universe is created by god. Then you created god?

[Nukeyfox]

One of the necessary ideas of God is that he is an uncreated creator.

If something created him, then he is not God; the thing that created him is God.

And if something created that thing, then that thing is not God -- it's its creator.

 

It relies on the fact that infinite regress is (thought) to be impossible.

Since you cannot have an infinite line of creators, there must be an uncreated creator.

[Memammal]

And if the universe is (was) not created by God, then no God..? That seems simple enough.

 

I find it interesting that the OP stated: "Then you created god?"

[Sensei]

One of the necessary ideas of God is that he is an uncreated creator.

If something created him, then he is not God; the thing that created him is God.

And if something created that thing, then that thing is not God -- it's its creator.

Actually you're looking at this from monotheistic point of view.

In Ancient Greek mythology, f.e. god Zeus was created by Cronus and Rhea.

[Memammal]

If universe is created by god. Then you created god?

I first thought the "you" was perhaps a typo, but I think I get it. The answer is YES.

[Delta1212]

Bob did.

[iNow]

Turtles... all the way

[Phi for All]

In the very beginning, there was pasta....

[Sophie Lux]

The "god" concept was invented, simply because of means of explaining world around primitive humans to temporarily fill the intellectual gaps, or satisfy the human needs to answers the never ending questions in life. And then they make a "religion" with it, for just two main reasons, control and money. It's a way to enslave and pacified the general population.

 

To add, man created God or gods. To put it in a bigger picture though, humans have always come up with reasons to explain things they don't understand. Whether that's through god of the bible or dragons in Chinese folklore, it's been done since humans walked the earth.

[iNow]

The "god" concept was invented...

Ive seen your last few posts in a few different threads, Sophie, and suspect you may enjoy this if you haven't seen it already (apologies to the OP for being tangential to the intended topic).

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iMmvu9eMrg&e

[Tampitump]

Hello Guys,

If universe is created by god. Then you created god?

This is essentially the counter-apologetic to the infamous cosmological argument. Essentially, if your premise states that everything that exists needs a creator, then by virtue of existing, God also needs a creator. This infinite regression of first causes created a problem for apologists, so the argument was revised into what is known as the "Kalãm" cosmological argument, which sought to avoid the infinite regress by qualifying the first premise to "everything which BEGINS to exist has a cause", thus disqualifying god from the list of things that must need a creator. This argument is still fallacious and problematic for many reasons. For one, we don't know whether or not the universe had an actual beginning, or if it has always existed, so the argument is not necessarily grounded in fact. Secondly. Qualifying the premise to state that god did not BEGIN to exists, and therefore does not need a creator, is a special pleading fallacy, and is something one would need to demonstrate before being justified. And finally, even if we grant the presmises, no god can be deduced from this argument because, like all arguments for god, one must prove god before deducing it. Otherwise, concluding GOD requires a leap in logic that is fallacious and unjustified. Even if one could prove that there is such a cause, and this cause must be eternal, conscious, and sentient, it still cannot be concluded that said being is a deity, much less a specific deity portrayed in one of our terrestrial holy books.

[Memammal]

^ You missed the implication of the OP using "you", i.e. he was not asking who created god, but if you (and those who believe that the universe is created by god) per implication created the (illusionary) concept of a god. Anyway, that is how I understand it.

Edited August 28, 2016 by Memammal

[Prometheus]

To add, man created God or gods. To put it in a bigger picture though, humans have always come up with reasons to explain things they don't understand...

 

Very much agree with that. We no longer require theism to attempt to explain the physical world: science is doing that much better than religion ever could.

 

But there is another reason man created god: to create meaning in our lives. Whether it's the dangling carrot of heaven or the thought of being part of a divine plan or the unconditional love on offer or something more subtle, theism does bring a lot of meaning and brightness to people's lives. We don't need god to create meaning in our lives, but i don't think this gets adequately communicated to theists: no alternatives are really offered.

 

As science slowly peels back the illusions of theism people feel like all they have left is an empty husk: there is no meaning, feeling forlorn and alone in an uncaring universe. Science offers no consolation, and nor should it, it's a method of discovering how the physical world works: it is not a method for creating meaning for humans. This is manifest in the rise of new age, quantum woo type pseudo-science: people are (unskillfully) attempting to find meaning in the framework imposed by our scientific understandings.

 

Until people are taught how to create meaning in their life within the bounds of science god will be around.

[freekundli]

Turtles... all the way

You mean Dinosaur..

If something created him, then he is not God; the thing that created him is God.

Lot of peoples are saying that god does not exist..