how to apply conference, and ...conditions?

[blue89]

Hi

 

I would apply for a conference to present my project (but I will be presenter). and request from someones who have experiences for presentation of conference.

1) may I apply by Journals ? (I saw nature and Science AAAS have conferences ,but I did not survey information yet.)

2) if so, What options do journals provide? (for instance ,do journals provide us waiving costs such as tickets of journey , accomodation, visa expenses and process .

3) will that association who I would give conference by its suopport ,want me to provide a determined TOEFL score? if so ,how amount of score is being asked generally? or what other options about this?

4) this will be presentation of scientific project , assume plase all qustions above are in the affirmative,and we had presented our conferences , would we have any sanctions as a presenter of conferences after assessment if assessment will exist?

5) what will happen after presentation be ended ? (what probbailities ,chances or risks will exist?)

6) mighjt only one presenter present his/her subject at any conference? (not via collaboration implied)

[Arete]

Your questions are a little hard to interpret but I will try. I generally attend between 1-3 conferences per year.

 

 

1) may I apply by Journals ? (I saw nature and Science AAAS have conferences ,but I did not survey information yet.)

 

Societies often publish a journal and hold meetings, e.g. The Society for the Study of Evolution publishes the journal Evolution, and also participates in the annual joint Evolution meetings.

 

2) if so, What options do journals provide? (for instance ,do journals provide us waiving costs such as tickets of journey , accomodation, visa expenses and process .

 

Members of societies usually get discounted registration to meetings.

 

3) will that association who I would give conference by its suopport ,want me to provide a determined TOEFL score? if so ,how amount of score is being asked generally? or what other options about this?

 

I've never heard of a conference asking for a TOEFL score before.

 

 

4) this will be presentation of scientific project , assume plase all qustions above are in the affirmative,and we had presented our conferences , would we have any sanctions as a presenter of conferences after assessment if assessment will exist?

 

Conference presentations are not subject to peer review. If the number of talks is limited, you will generally be expected to submit an abstract of your talk at the time you register. Based on this abstract, you may, or may not be selected to present at the meeting.

 

 

5) what will happen after presentation be ended ? (what probbailities ,chances or risks will exist?)

 

There will generally be a period in which members of the audience can ask the presenter questions. Also, if you've permitted the conference organizers to record your talk, it may be uploaded for other people to view (although you can request for your talk NOT to be recorded also). In some fields, conference abstracts are put together into a publication after the meeting, although generally not in my field.

 

 

6) mighjt only one presenter present his/her subject at any conference? (not via collaboration implied)

 

You can list other authors on your talk, but it is perfectly acceptable to present as a sole author also.

[blue89]

hi Dear Arete Welcome, many thanks ,actually nature sptringers APC services sent me a mail around few minutes ago.

I should update something in this thread

but I need to leave now

 

mm ,I think Studiot very nice member according to our private conversation.

and he was recommended me to contact you ..

ok,very nice to see you there

and many thanks ,I need to leave

highly well organised answers your comment

but I might ask and will add an update.(you or someones might be negatively surprised)

[swansont]

In my experience journals and conferences are separate. A professional society will sponsor a conference. The American Physical Society (APS) sponsors many physics conferences, associated with some division of it. I'm a member of the Division of Atomic, Molecular and Optical Physics (DAMOP). There is a DAMOP meeting each year, but there are larger conferences (the "March meeting") that have representation from many divisions.

The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) has a few dozen societies, each typically sponsoring a conference. I often attend the one organized by the Ultrasonics, Ferroelectrics, and Frequency Control Society (UFFC) (and I'm now on the technical program committee)

 

Each conference I've attended had its own organizing committee and I applied directly to the conference to present a paper (oral or poster presentation)

[blue89]

Many many thanks ,very nice and good explanations.

I will try to give that detail at following comment.

 

at first ,I am sure My speaking would be good! ,but although I do not think that I am willing to audiences ask me questions I have no clear decision why ,surely I have highly energetic personality and have strong confidence (generally).

furthermore ,if it be possible to present a conference , I will definitely be willing to get it recorded. and think it might be better to allow someone asking me via watching my talk after it be ended , I think it might be more useful ,because both I myself and audiences might feel them more relief (assume audiences are at their own home ,relax ,and ask me by e-mail ,how would it ? ,better or worse ,or no difference?

it is very nice to learn swansont you are implementing sth. relevant conference , I have too active personality ,I think it will be highly good for me if I presnt a conference.

about paper

really sometimes I think it is hard. but again we know that nature loves using hard formulas , so ,I do not think it wouldbe hard if we compare with articles which are in nature's archive.

but here is quite difficult problem.

My paper will definitely include all these disciplines

1) physics 2)mathematics 3) medical science 4) engineering.

here is very negative point.

although whoever are academcians (some of them are physicist professor)I talk my paper ,they say it's pespectively thought.

but I am sure, if we do not do obsevations & experiments ,then this wide project will define nothing :(

we cannot speak anything clearly before observations and experiments

and just because of this ,I also do not want to apply patent institurtes.

Edited August 27, 2016 by blue89

[Endy0816]

In my experience journals and conferences are separate. A professional society will sponsor a conference. The American Physical Society (APS) sponsors many physics conferences, associated with some division of it. I'm a member of the Division of Atomic, Molecular and Optical Physics (DAMOP). There is a DAMOP meeting each year, but there are larger conferences (the "March meeting") that have representation from many divisions.

The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) has a few dozen societies, each typically sponsoring a conference. I often attend the one organized by the Ultrasonics, Ferroelectrics, and Frequency Control Society (UFFC) (and I'm now on the technical program committee)

 

Each conference I've attended had its own organizing committee and I applied directly to the conference to present a paper (oral or poster presentation)

I always wondered how that worked. Appears as spontaneous organization watching from the sidelines.

[swansont]

I always wondered how that worked. Appears as spontaneous organization watching from the sidelines.

 

 

My former supervisor was the technical program chair for a couple of conferences. I got to see some of how that sausage is made.

[blue89]

here was an event that I did do it and still do not know whether I did wrong or correct thing.

 

--->> I had written a letter to IEEE to take consultancy for my study. I had written 3 letters ,one of them were on facebook.

They had been so late that I had already missed what I sent ...

They replied on facebook instead mailing.

I expressed my thanks ,but...

they had had been too late to reply ....(I did not love this! ,Seem irrespective,they were already explanaining that they might have replied in around 48 hours but never did it))

SO I HAVE BEEN TOO NERVOUS!,

and mailed them highly in aggressive mod.

The clear thing is my principle was not violated by my own. (I do not use insultive expressions ,or curse ( bad words ) such that might make them detect unethic things.

but surely ,it was containing very strict critiques and warnings. (I did not apologised ,and do not think to do this)

I don't like lazy or unintelligent people. (They also were not replying comprehensively (there were no all answers to my questions which I asked repeatedly,very short e-mails and simple,I hated!)

I thought that they made me miss time ,because I could not concentrate on my work to choose which one for submission.(two wide study have still existed to complete)

but look ,nature never passed the time over 24 hours. I love this journal and would/hope to be author at (only) this journal.

and I am sure this journal contains hard scientific contexts. (articles are difficult) ,but also intelectual.

but I detected a strange detail. I sent two or more e-mail to Science AAAS ,but they have not replied me ,yet.

this means ,if I was right to be nervous to IEEE ,what is the reason for Science AAAS 's this behaviour..?

I have been feeling quite confused and unsure that Nature will accept my literatures. because normally there is no published sample yet. and I generally would reserach broadly for only one literature to make it ready for submission.

here is a bit bad parameter. in SJR ,it seems IEEE is the best association which provides conferences ..or I understood incorrectly.

I said in my e-mail (like a sentence which is imperative)

"please do not mail me until I reply again!"

this was around two weeks ago. and I still have not replied and don't think to reply.

three days my abstract was interpreted by nature methods and I think was positive. (I request to Phi for All" editor to rewrite his idea (because I provided title) ,I ask ,whether his initial opinion has been changed (???)

 

(did the nature's that editor give compliment to my manuscripot or expressed only the inconvenience to that journal????

note this last text is not well organised ,and also contains some grammatical faults... apologise but cannot proofred. editor may drop a notation.

if he do this ,I will fold comletely ,I am too busy now.

apologies.

 

(not forum's rules has not been checked yet)

Edited August 28, 2016 by blue89

[Strange]

These people probably get hundreds, maybe thousands, of emails a month with enquiries about their organisation, journals, conferences, etc. Some of the people involved have full-time jobs elsewhere and only have limited time to work on this. So you can't always expect a quick response.

 

Also, if you get a very short email saying "thank you but no" then that is probably a standard polite rejection email that they send out to very many people. In which case, there is no point replying.

 

 

(did the nature's that editor give compliment to my manuscripot or expressed only the inconvenience to that journal????

 

I would say it was neither a compliment nor an inconvenience. They were simply stating that it is not the sort of thing they publish. That's all there is to it.

[Klaynos]

I don't really see the science or IEEE are under any obligation to reply to you at all. You have to remember that they receive a great number of emails from both legitimate scientists and crackpots, they therefore are probably quite selective about responding. I'm surprised that nature got back to you so quickly.

 

I don't think you should concentrate too heavily on just IEEE conferences, find a conference run by a proper organisation that matches the content you wish to present and apply to that.

 

You will be expected to answer questions on the day about your work.

[blue89]

Dear Strange ;

 

I am unsure about one point ,that is relevant to your personal ideas and quite important for me ,my idea is now being shown on my profile.

May I ask ; what do you think about this:

" (generally after BSc level) someones may develop science without taking courses (I mean ,MSc, PhD degree not required for someones (harvard,oxford,cambridge are included!)??"

and could you state please your own idea on this subject.?? (request you to speak clearly , like you are always doing so)

 

I am going to reply other comments then.

I don't think you should concentrate too heavily on just IEEE conferences

 

when I browse by SJR ,its IF is at top (really low IF (not bigger than 6 )

..

 

I don't really see the science or IEEE are under any obligation to reply to you at all.

May I ask ;

have you ever had any experience relevant these groups??

I did not imply the obligation exactly.

I only would say ,if any journal is so much qualified ,then they must provide a good consultans/customer service

 

I'm surprised that nature got back to you so quickly.

 

Nature ,never passed 24 hours to reply...

I am honest

I have asked many many questions bto nature

crackpots...this word seems insultive...

I do not like hurt anyone's heart even if that one be like you defined.

I don't think you should concentrate too heavily on just IEEE conferences, find a conference run by a proper organisation that matches the content you wish to present and apply to that.

 

okay. but ..isn't it a bit strange that journals ,accepts only articles, not research (proposal) projects outlines.but I am sure ,the observations & experiments must be almost the most important thing in science

Edited August 28, 2016 by blue89

[ajb]

The usual thing is find a conference you want to attend, when you register they usually ask (assuming slots are available) for you to submit a title and abstract of a talk. The organising committee will look at your title and abstract and see if they think is is okay for the conference. Also be aware that not all conferences and meetings publish proceedings, and if they do you should check on the peer-review policy. Generally, conference papers are not seen as being on par with proper journal papers, but then I do know important works published that way.

 

Anyway, good luck.

[blue89]

I would say it was neither a compliment nor an inconvenience. They were simply stating that it is not the sort of thing they publish. That's all there is to it.

 

Strange are you completely sure ?

because I am generally willing to be fuse and actually do not think like this.

 

I am sharing that comment and ask to check your idea,one more time

 

 

Dear Mr..

Thank you for your inquiry about submitting your paper entitled "The New Form Of treatment for Cancer Ilness Under Convenience Of Functional Analaysis' Contexts To Research Newest Clues about >3D space" to Nature Methods. After examining the work I'm sorry to say that submission to Nature Methods would not be appropriate.

We do not doubt the technical quality of your work or that it may prove of interest to others working in cancer therapy. However, we think that your work is not suitable for Nature Methods which is devoted to laboratory methods used to investigate basic biological research questions.

Nevertheless, thank you very much for giving us the opportunity to consider your work. I am sorry that on this occasion we cannot be more positive.

Sincerely,

Natalie de Souza, Ph.D.

Chief Editor

Nature Methods

 

 

 

 

check please this text well designed acording to all linguistic rules.

I see she used two separate sentence via difefrentiating with comma,so I unedrstand that she thought this was qualified about "technical aspect"

 

look I am adding one of her point again (I do not remember that I shared this before)

 

 

Dear ..

Thank you for this and your other letters. I suggest you submit the paper elsewhere, I don' t think it's right for Nature Methods.

Sincerely,

Natalie de Souza

 

are you sure about your comment above I quoted?

of course I am realistic and do not want to feel so much happy if there is no actual evidence

Edited August 28, 2016 by blue89

[Endy0816]

My former supervisor was the technical program chair for a couple of conferences. I got to see some of how that sausage is made.

Somehow I suspect you ended up helping as well

 

Many thanks for the explanation.

[Strange]

Dear Strange ;

 

I am unsure about one point ,that is relevant to your personal ideas and quite important for me ,my idea is now being shown on my profile.

May I ask ; what do you think about this:

" (generally after BSc level) someones may develop science without taking courses (I mean ,MSc, PhD degree not required for someones (harvard,oxford,cambridge are included!)??"

and could you state please your own idea on this subject.?? (request you to speak clearly , like you are always doing so)

 

 

Are you asking if it is possible to work in science with only a BSc?

 

If so, I am sure it is (even though I don't work in science). I'm sure that most teams have people with a wide range of qualifications (and note that all modern science is done by teams, I am not aware of any significant work done by individuals - but I could be wrong).

 

It is the same in my work: I have worked with people with PhD, MSc, BSc, BA, and no qualifications at all. They have all contributed in different ways.

 

Strange are you completely sure ?

because I am generally willing to be fuse and actually do not think like this.

 

I am sharing that comment and ask to check your idea,one more time

 

 

Dear Mr..

Thank you for your inquiry about submitting your paper entitled "The New Form Of treatment for Cancer Ilness Under Convenience Of Functional Analaysis' Contexts To Research Newest Clues about >3D space" to Nature Methods. After examining the work I'm sorry to say that submission to Nature Methods would not be appropriate.

We do not doubt the technical quality of your work or that it may prove of interest to others working in cancer therapy. However, we think that your work is not suitable for Nature Methods which is devoted to laboratory methods used to investigate basic biological research questions.

Nevertheless, thank you very much for giving us the opportunity to consider your work. I am sorry that on this occasion we cannot be more positive.

Sincerely,

Natalie de Souza, Ph.D.

Chief Editor

Nature Methods

 

Yes, I am sure. This line:

 

We do not doubt the technical quality of your work or that it may prove of interest to others working in cancer therapy.

 

Is simply them being polite. I would not assume that they have read the paper in any detail. They have just read enough to determine that the subject is not relevant to them.

 

 

look I am adding one of her point again (I do not remember that I shared this before)

Dear ..

Thank you for this and your other letters. I suggest you submit the paper elsewhere, I don' t think it's right for Nature Methods.

Sincerely,

Natalie de Souza

 

I would translate this email as: "Please do not bother us on this subject again".

[blue89]

:D (exactly ,I myself thought just like your idea whics is being expressed in your last sentence,because if it was not so ,she should use " I do not think it is right" instead " I don't think it is right"

 

could you wait ,your first idea must be quite wron! ,I am looking for more evidence ,but one exists.I am still looking for.I request you to wait for a while.

Edited August 28, 2016 by blue89

[Strange]

:D (exactly ,I myself thought just like your idea whics is being expressed in your last sentence,because if it was not so ,she should use " I do not think it is right" instead " I don't think it is right"

 

 

There is NO difference in meaning between those two forms. The first is just slightly more formal.

[swansont]

I only would say ,if any journal is so much qualified ,then they must provide a good consultans/customer service

 

 

The people at the journals are publishers. They are probably not in a position to offer technical feedback; that sort of consultation is expected between you and other researchers.

 

If they reject your paper as not being the right topic they did not send it out for peer review and did not evaluate the merit of the research. "We do not doubt the technical quality of your work or that it may prove of interest to others" is not an endorsement.

[Strange]

 

 

could you wait ,your first idea must be quite wron!

 

Of course. I am only a native speaker of English who has both received and sent such emails. That is exactly the sort of wording I would use to tell someone we are not interested.

[Klaynos]

Dear Strange ;

 

I am unsure about one point ,that is relevant to your personal ideas and quite important for me ,my idea is now being shown on my profile.

May I ask ; what do you think about this:

" (generally after BSc level) someones may develop science without taking courses (I mean ,MSc, PhD degree not required for someones (harvard,oxford,cambridge are included!)??"

and could you state please your own idea on this subject.?? (request you to speak clearly , like you are always doing so)

 

I am going to reply other comments then.

 

 

when I browse by SJR ,its IF is at top (really low IF (not bigger than 6 )

..

 

May I ask ;

have you ever had any experience relevant these groups??

I did not imply the obligation exactly.

I only would say ,if any journal is so much qualified ,then they must provide a good consultans/customer service

 

 

Nature ,never passed 24 hours to reply...

I am honest

I have asked many many questions bto nature

crackpots...this word seems insultive...

I do not like hurt anyone's heart even if that one be like you defined.

 

 

okay. but ..isn't it a bit strange that journals ,accepts only articles, not research (proposal) projects outlines.but I am sure ,the observations & experiments must be almost the most important thing in science

Yes, I have done experience of IEEE and nature journals.

 

And just to be clear I wasn't necessarily referring to you as a crackpot. I don't think you've presented enough information to decide either way.

[blue89]

Strange actually I cannot dominate that text now. and simply from wikipedia. one of them was Avicenna ,but I am sure ,there were many many scientists who are quite good in aspect of quality of science

wkipedia ,I could not so much clear sentence ,but exist about library ,it must be about library ,I know avicenna was studying at library alone ,like me ,but I am almost sure that avicenna was one scientist who had had ability to study individually/independently

there exist some matters only about collaboration or taking course. in turkey intimately I did see so very/too many dishonest academicians who cause qualified students be disqualified/prevented for enrollment of that programmes.

wiki link for avicenna : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avicenna

 

Swansont ,I already see that she does not accept/endorse ,this is quite clear at her text but ..

I succintly would ask "May I feel happy at least that she defines this manuscript is not bad qualified , if I explain something refering that manuscript was good and this was not correct ,then of course I will not be realistic...and I will/must not feel me happy (if there is no evidence,why..? ) ."

:( I can't understand a point , did she think t that "this manuscrip was not good/qualified" when used this expresion below.

We do not doubt (???) the technical quality of your work or that it may prove of interest to others working in cancer therapy.

I am looking at longman dictionary ,and think that "doubt" is like synonym of "suspect" ,then normally feel me good.

 

what is the wrong thing ?

 

I would hear that this paper was good,if it was correct ,nothing else ,but of course if it was correct...

:( I am unable to be sure on this subject when I read your sentences now. :(

[Strange]

Yes, I am sure. This line:

 

We do not doubt the technical quality of your work or that it may prove of interest to others working in cancer therapy.

 

Is simply them being polite. I would not assume that they have read the paper in any detail. They have just read enough to determine that the subject is not relevant to them.

 

 

Just to be a really clear on this. If someone sent me a proposal that was not relevant, there are two possibilities.

 

1. I read the proposal and think it is good (but not relevant). In which case I would reply with something like:

 

"Your work is very interesting but I am afraid it is not relevant to us"

 

2. I haven't read the proposal because it is not relevant, then I would say something like:

 

"I am sure your work is very interesting but I am afraid it is not relevant to us"

 

The phrase "I am sure it is interesting" is a polite way of saying "I haven't read it" (or possibly, "I have read it but didn't understand it" or even "I have read it and it is rubbish")

Strange actually I cannot dominate that text now. and simply from wikipedia. one of them was Avicenna ,but I am sure ,there were many many scientists who are quite good in aspect of quality of science

 

 

How is Avicenna relevant to any of this?

[blue89]

Yes, I have done experience of IEEE and nature journals.

 

 

 

what were thats?

 

have you shared there at anoher (your own) thread(s)

if you get published at nature ,I will probably have to accept some of your ideas.

...

...

I love nature (they replid all of my e-mails in only 24 hours.).

 

if you have not shared ,could you share with us please?

[ajb]

You should not read too much into letters of this kind from editors - just move on and submit to another journal, that is what we usually do. Once I bothered to send an email back saying that one of the editorial reviewers was wrong, just for my own sanity. Of course, that did nothing to change the mind of the editorial team. It sucks, but you get over it and get on with the job.

Edited August 28, 2016 by ajb

[blue89]

 

 

Just to be a really clear on this. If someone sent me a proposal that was not relevant, there are two possibilities.

 

1. I read the proposal and think it is good (but not relevant). In which case I would reply with something like:

 

"Your work is very interesting but I am afraid it is not relevant to us"

 

2. I haven't read the proposal because it is not relevant, then I would say something like:

 

"I am sure your work is very interesting but I am afraid it is not relevant to us"

 

 

any of these are not answer to my questions that I try to make you understand ... :(

 

 

1) or even "I have read it and it is rubbish")

 

 

2)How is Avicenna relevant to any of this?

 

 

I think the last word in 1st sentence is quite comic :D . be sure that ,I do not expect such words at any so qualied/rspective associations to use.(rubbish )

2nd sentence is in external relevancy ,I would study individually / independently ,because I am sure this is more effective or more provide me to be more creative.

studying individually was also hinted at (Arete's) initial comment above .