Voynich Manuscript a Cipher for the Ages

[Tom O'Neil]

Voynich Manuscript a Cipher for the Ages

 

The enigma which surrounds the Voynich Manuscript for all who try to unlock its vault of coded text is intriguing to say the least. A man named Wilfrid Voynich found the Manuscript in 1912 at Villa Mondragone, Frascati, Italy. The book contains 200 pages of an unknown script with pictures of herbs, nymphs, plants and astrology.

 

I have studied this code for seven years now and I believe I have made a breakthrough for the Mt. Everest of Ciphers. What I propose is a numerology cipher in Welsh for the main labels and astrology wheel (i.e. folio 68r) in the Voynich Manuscript.

 

Here are some images, a video and link to my site:

 

 

 

 

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[swansont]

I have studied this code for seven years now and I believe I have made a breakthrough for the Mt. Everest of Ciphers. What I propose is a numerology cipher in Welsh for the main labels and astrology wheel (i.e. folio 68r) in the Voynich Manuscript.

 

 

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[Strange]

I tend to the view it is just an artwork pretending to be meaningful. Some recent work seems to confirm this:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2106915-mystery-texts-language-like-patterns-may-be-an-elaborate-hoax/

[Endy0816]

I tend to the view it is just an artwork pretending to be meaningful. Some recent work seems to confirm this:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2106915-mystery-texts-language-like-patterns-may-be-an-elaborate-hoax/

 

Codex Seraphinianus provides a modern take on the concept

 

https://www.pinterest.com/explore/codex-seraphinianus/

Edited September 22, 2016 by Endy0816

[Tom O'Neil]

I tend to the view it is just an artwork pretending to be meaningful. Some recent work seems to confirm this:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2106915-mystery-texts-language-like-patterns-may-be-an-elaborate-hoax/

I was not sure myself yet my cipher seems to be working correctly!

 

 

[Strange]

 

Codex Seraphinianus provides a modern take on the concept

 

https://www.pinterest.com/explore/codex-seraphinianus/

 

 

And "A Book From The Sky"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Book_from_the_Sky

I was not sure myself yet my cipher seems to be working correctly!

 

You will need a bit more than a few incomprehensible pictures to make your case.

 

And why not publish it in a journal that specialises in this sort of thing? Where it can get expert review. Which, I assume, is what you want.

Edited September 22, 2016 by Strange

[Tom O'Neil]

 

 

And "A Book From The Sky"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Book_from_the_Sky

 

You will need a bit more than a few incomprehensible pictures to make your case.

 

And why not publish it in a journal that specialises in this sort of thing? Where it can get expert review. Which, I assume, is what you want.

With further research into f70r I found a 15 digit sequence which runs counter clockwise. This is not an anomaly and it was purposefully done by the Author. The numbers are fifteen digits of Pi (i.e. 3.14159265358979). The inner circle contains the first six digits of Pi while the outer contains the next nine digits of Pi which follow in sequence.

 

 

 

[Strange]

You will need a bit more than a few incomprehensible pictures to make your case.

[John Cuthber]

Still less convincing than this explanation.
https://xkcd.com/593/

[Sensei]

Why is it in "Other Sciences" section.. ?

Numerology is not science..

[Ophiolite]

Why is it in "Other Sciences" section.. ?

Numerology is not science..

I think he is arguing for it being an elegant exercise in cryptography. So it should be in Maths.

[Phi for All]

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Let's try The Lounge, unless the OP would like to make an assertion supportable by evidence, in which case we can move to Speculations.

[CharonY]

Still less convincing than this explanation.

https://xkcd.com/593/

 

Yeah, utter bullshit. Everyone knows that you use a member of the Panicoideae for that. Ranunculaceae won't work as well.

[Acme]

Yeah, utter bullshit. Everyone knows that you use a member of the Panicoideae for that. Ranunculaceae won't work as well.

And everyone knows Ranunculus sceleratus is used to poison arrows. I suppose one might argue that having poison arrows doth bestow a sense of courage however.

Numerologically the herb is represented as 9153533331 1353591231. Reduced this is 6 and 6 is the number of a loving and caring nature, ergo you love your enemy and care enough to use the a good poison on them. So it is written, so shall it be done.

Edited October 5, 2016 by Acme

[CharonY]

Concoctions made from a variety of Panicoideae is the traditional elixir of courage for many, many people.

[Tom O'Neil]

I think he is arguing for it being an elegant exercise in cryptography. So it should be in Maths.

I have searched for days looking for signs of a signature which attributes John Dee for designing the MS-408. I truly believe he made this document and as most artists practice as a hiding technique; they place hard to spot letters in their art. I have done this with some of my oil paintings. There is a leaf half way up to the right in folio 53r and if you invert it and look really close you can make out letters.

Ioaniss

Dee

This is a solid analysis for letters just don’t appear! Also it looks as though he tried to hide the text with a dark brown stain, but he added a pointer to the letter, “o”. This is information and finally it adds validity to my work.

 

 

 

Also you all maybe interested in the four seasons found with my method:

 

 

 

 

Looking down from above, Earth revolves around the Sun in a counter-clockwise manner - moves through the seasons

[Strange]

This is a solid analysis for letters just don’t appear!

 

 

 

This looks more like pareidolia than analysis.

 

The random marks that you think match what you are looking for (Oaniss) look to me like random marks. If forced to guess, I would say it was 13 17 8 9. Then there are more marks that you have chosen to ignore (5 9 8) and other marks all over the place.

 

 

Also you all maybe interested in the four seasons found with my method:

 

This appears to be numerology of the worst kind. I'm not even going to waste time explaining why it is nonsense. It should be obvious.

[Tom O'Neil]

I agree to disagree

[Ophiolite]

Tom,

 

two observations, both relating to what I believe will be an ongoing challenge for you: communication.

 

1. Reading Comprehension? I made an observation. You then replied to it with content wholly unrelated to my post. That suggests you did not understand what I wrote. (Of course the lack of reading comprehension may be on my part, but that would be atypical.)

 

2. Clarity of Exposition. (i.e. writing clearly) Your juxtaposition of a diagram of the seasons with your interpretation of seasons in the manuscript fails completely to explain what steps you have taken and how the resultant numbers relate to seasons. Such a woeful inability to communicate the details of your thesis means only the gullible will buy your story.

 

I am not looking for a further attempt at explanation. I offer the observations in the hope that they may encourage you to improve in those two areas: for yourself, not for me.

[Moontanman]

Still less convincing than this explanation.

https://xkcd.com/593/

 

 

Really excellent !!!

[Strange]

I agree to disagree

 

 

It is up to you to provide some better evidence than "it looks like it to me".

[Sensei]

Can you explain how to get this value after = ... ?

And why they have xxxxx=y (where y is typically single digit).. ?

[Tom O'Neil]

Can you explain how to get this value after = ... ?

And why they have xxxxx=y (where y is typically single digit).. ?

Say you have a word like, "Celf" which is magic in welsh.

 

C=3, e=5, l=3,f=6 then add 3+5+3+6=17 then add 1+7=8

3536=8

 

When you use Pythagorean numerology every output has to be equal to any number from 1 through 9. So by adding up the letters remember this. So if a number that equals 11 that would reduce to 2. Number 15 would = 6 and so on.

 

http://www.rkm.com.au/CALCULATORS/CALCULATOR-Numerology.html

Tom,

 

two observations, both relating to what I believe will be an ongoing challenge for you: communication.

 

1. Reading Comprehension? I made an observation. You then replied to it with content wholly unrelated to my post. That suggests you did not understand what I wrote. (Of course the lack of reading comprehension may be on my part, but that would be atypical.)

 

2. Clarity of Exposition. (i.e. writing clearly) Your juxtaposition of a diagram of the seasons with your interpretation of seasons in the manuscript fails completely to explain what steps you have taken and how the resultant numbers relate to seasons. Such a woeful inability to communicate the details of your thesis means only the gullible will buy your story.

 

I am not looking for a further attempt at explanation. I offer the observations in the hope that they may encourage you to improve in those two areas: for yourself, not for me.

I have to say that I developed a decoding process for the voynich manuscript; which discovers welsh words for the images and themes within the voynich manuscript. I realize that I have been a bit vague in my presentation here. I discovered a Pythagorean Numerology Method by decoding all the astrology signs in folio 67r2 which runs consistent to my cipher, something which has never occurred yet to my knowledge. I assigned voynich glyph's to number equivalents. If you understand the traditional model of astrology Aries which is the Ram sits on the ascendant and then moving counter clockwise I found all the signs in folio 67r2 of the voynich manuscript in welsh and one English word for scorpion. I believe John Dee designed the Voynich Manuscript.

 

1) Astrology fallows an order of welsh words that are labels for the signs that are counter clockwise 2) and are static as number totals for numerology. 3) In my cipher the voynich words have to equate to those labels in numerology. So with these three very strict rules my output shows welsh as the primary language for the voynich manuscript.

 

 

[Strange]

When you use Pythagorean numerology every output has to be equal to any number from 1 through 9.

 

 

Which is why it is obviously complete nonsense. You are mapping every word down to one of 9 possibilities. Therefore you can match any word with pretty much any other word (or close synonym). It is impossible to justify any conclusions reached on this basis.

 

Apart from the fact that there is an completely arbitrary relationship between symbols and numbers.

 

You would have to be insane to think this was a rational process for extracting information.

Edited October 9, 2016 by Strange

[DrKrettin]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I must be missing something here. If this is 15th century Welsh numerology, why do you give a code relating to the English version of the Roman alphabet, where the Welsh one is considerably different, and includes letters like ch, dd and ll?