"Irrational ideologies of the left": BLM

[MigL]

This thread seems to be dying out, so let's throw another log on the fire...

 

The BLM movement was created to protest the systemic profiling and discrimination against Black people, by police forces, leading to stops/arrests/deaths, simply because all black people are seen as criminals, not just the few that actually are.

 

The approach, so far, has been to call all policemen racists, even Black cops, not just the few that actually are.

Often times, the cop ( shooter ) is 'convicted' in the street, by people who don't have all the facts/evidence, just before rioting breaks out. And none of the members of BLM speak out against the few crazies amongst them who advocate targeting/killing cops.

This seems to me, to be combatting discriminatory racism with more discrimination/generalization directed at another group ( cops ).

 

It may not technically be racism, but it sure stinks like it.

[iNow]

The approach, so far, has been to call all policemen racists, even Black cops, not just the few that actually are.

<cough> strawman <cough> exaggeration <cough> hyperbole <cough> all, seriously? <cough>

 

And none of the members of BLM speak out against the few crazies amongst them who advocate targeting/killing cops.

<cough> quite wrong <cough> inaccurate <cough> unfounded nonsense <cough> none, seriously? <cough> Edited September 22, 2016 by iNow

[Delta1212]

This thread seems to be dying out, so let's throw another log on the fire...

 

The BLM movement was created to protest the systemic profiling and discrimination against Black people, by police forces, leading to stops/arrests/deaths, simply because all black people are seen as criminals, not just the few that actually are.

 

The approach, so far, has been to call all policemen racists, even Black cops, not just the few that actually are.

Often times, the cop ( shooter ) is 'convicted' in the street, by people who don't have all the facts/evidence, just before rioting breaks out. And none of the members of BLM speak out against the few crazies amongst them who advocate targeting/killing cops.

This seems to me, to be combatting discriminatory racism with more discrimination/generalization directed at another group ( cops ).

 

It may not technically be racism, but it sure stinks like it.

So you're saying that the main problem with the Black Lives Matter movement is that they all make sweeping generalizations?

[MigL]

Better take something for that cough, iNow.

 

And this is a discussion, tell me how/where I'm wrong.

Don't just state it.

[iNow]

We could start with your hyperbolic, inaccurate, misrepresentative, strawmanesque, self-evidently silly and remedially ridiculous use of the terms "all" and "none" in your comments about how the BLM movement perceives and discusses cops or turns a blind eye to negative behaviors among those identifying under similar label for a start, but then I'd just be repeating myself

Edited September 22, 2016 by iNow

[swansont]

The approach, so far, has been to call all policemen racists, even Black cops, not just the few that actually are.

iNow has already pointed out that this is a straw man. The approach is to point out that there is racism, often systemic, in law enforcement. The Blue Wall of Silence attitude, while not itself inherently racist, makes the situation worse.

 

 

And none of the members of BLM speak out against the few crazies amongst them who advocate targeting/killing cops.

 

Another straw man. It's trivial to find stories of them condemning the police killings in Dallas and in Baton Rouge, to use two recent examples.

 

http://blacklivesmatter.com/the-black-lives-matter-network-advocates-for-dignity-justice-and-respect/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/17/shooting-police-is-not-a-civil-rights-tactic-activists-condemn-killing-of-officers/?utm_term=.69a8c1195c80

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Here's a short video from a protester, describing one of their concerns

https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/778787267171196928

[MigL]

Thank you for elaborating Swansont.

 

The approach taken by iNow, on the other hand, to shut down dissenting viewpoints by labelling them with derogatory terms like 'wrong/inaccurate/unfounded nonsense' or 'strawman/exaggeration/hyperbole' all while having a coughing fit for appearance of vulnerability and the sympathy factor ( that last part was a joke, don't take it seriously ), is one often ( but not always ) used by BLM.

Shut down any discussion of dissenting opinions on the issues by labelling the dissenting opinions 'racist'.

 

This tactic is used by everyone...

Attack Israeli policy and you are labelled anti Semitic or anti Zionist.

Attack governmental financial policy and you're labelled conservative.

Attack capitalism and you're labelled a bleeding heart, commie pinko.

etc. etc. etc.

 

( sorry, not everyone, just quite a few )

[Phi for All]

Attack governmental financial policy and you're labelled conservative.

 

?!

 

I don't think I've ever labeled anyone by calling them conservative. Usually, as in your case, they identify themselves that way first.

 

Although if someone were to attack government financial policy by calling it too strict and regulated when its obviously lax and full of corruption, I would assume this conservative position was motivated by greed rather than any actual political stance. If someone were calling for banking reform, why would they be labeled conservative?

[DrmDoc]

Thank you for elaborating Swansont.

 

The approach taken by iNow, on the other hand, to shut down dissenting viewpoints by labelling them with derogatory terms like 'wrong/inaccurate/unfounded nonsense' or 'strawman/exaggeration/hyperbole' all while having a coughing fit for appearance of vulnerability and the sympathy factor ( that last part was a joke, don't take it seriously ), is one often ( but not always ) used by BLM.

Shut down any discussion of dissenting opinions on the issues by labelling the dissenting opinions 'racist'.

 

This tactic is used by everyone...

Attack Israeli policy and you are labelled anti Semitic or anti Zionist.

Attack governmental financial policy and you're labelled conservative.

Attack capitalism and you're labelled a bleeding heart, commie pinko.

etc. etc. etc.

 

( sorry, not everyone, just quite a few )

 

Point taken; however, back to your OP, what is your response to the counter assertions to your position that Swansont's links provide.

[iNow]

Thank you for elaborating Swansont.

 

The approach taken by iNow, on the other hand, to shut down dissenting viewpoints by labelling them with derogatory terms like 'wrong/inaccurate/unfounded nonsense' or 'strawman/exaggeration/hyperbole' all while having a coughing fit for appearance of vulnerability and the sympathy factor ( that last part was a joke, don't take it seriously ), is one often ( but not always ) used by BLM.

Shut down any discussion of dissenting opinions on the issues by labelling the dissenting opinions 'racist'.

I'm not perfect, not by any means. My approach last night certainly wasn't representative of my best, and I could have done better while being more respectful.

 

That said, my core points remain and "inaccurate, exaggeration, hyperbole, strawman, and wrong" are factual observations, not dismissable as derogatory as you've just done (though, "unfounded nonsense" may be).

[swansont]

Thank you for elaborating Swansont.

 

The approach taken by iNow, on the other hand, to shut down dissenting viewpoints by labelling them with derogatory terms like 'wrong/inaccurate/unfounded nonsense' or 'strawman/exaggeration/hyperbole' all while having a coughing fit for appearance of vulnerability and the sympathy factor ( that last part was a joke, don't take it seriously ), is one often ( but not always ) used by BLM.

Shut down any discussion of dissenting opinions on the issues by labelling the dissenting opinions 'racist'.

 

 

I called two of your points straw men. Am I shutting down a dissenting view point, too? I don't see how. Also, saying that you are wrong or inaccurate seems to me to be an assessment of veracity. How is that derogatory?

 

Sometime dissenting positions are racist. Why is it that actually being racist should be considered less offensive than someone pointing the racism out?

 

 

 

[Ten oz]

We (USA) havethe most prisoners in the world, our police kill thousands on citizens a year, even small town police forces seem to have tanks and other military grade equipment. It is a problem. BLM is shining a light on a portion of that iceberg. It there more to it, of course, with icebergs there always is. The conversation must start somewhere and the group of people being most disproportionately impacted is a reasonable place to start I think.

[CharonY]

As pointed out, the premise is rather extremely faulty. But let us assume that there is a (seemingly implied) link between BLM protests and riots. Should non-violent protesters refrain from demonstrating injustice (regardless of perceived or real) if it may inspire riots? Also, should protesters held to an equal or higher standard than cops?

[Ten oz]

As pointed out, the premise is rather extremely faulty. But let us assume that there is a (seemingly implied) link between BLM protests and riots. Should non-violent protesters refrain from demonstrating injustice (regardless of perceived or real) if it may inspire riots? Also, should protesters held to an equal or higher standard than cops?

Colin Kaepernick's protest in non-violent and still negatively received. It seems that the tyle of protest is easier to attack than the content.

[Phi for All]

Colin Kaepernick's protest in non-violent and still negatively received. It seems that the tyle of protest is easier to attack than the content.

 

Right, we're looking for a non-violent, non-unpatriotic, non-ethnic, non-offensive sort of non-protest. And could you do that someplace we can't see it...? Thanks, buh-bye.

[Ten oz]

 

Right, we're looking for a non-violent, non-unpatriotic, non-ethnic, non-offensive sort of non-protest. And could you do that someplace we can't see it...? Thanks, buh-bye.

Yep!

[Delta1212]

 

Right, we're looking for a non-violent, non-unpatriotic, non-ethnic, non-offensive sort of non-protest. And could you do that someplace we can't see it...? Thanks, buh-bye.

It's impolite to protest in a way that calls attention to an issue that people would rather ignore.

[Phi for All]

It's impolite to protest in a way that calls attention to an issue that people would rather ignore.

 

There's probably a law against that, or will be soon.

[DrmDoc]

 

There's probably a law against that, or will be soon.

 

North Carolina has actually taken steps in that direction with laws blocking the public release of police dash cam footage. Shameful.

[Phi for All]

 

North Carolina has actually taken steps in that direction with laws blocking the public release of police dash cam footage. Shameful.

 

Bah! Next you'll be saying candidates should release their tax returns. What good is transparency if you can't hide behind it?

[CharonY]

So, public spaces should be safe spaces?

[DrmDoc]

 

Bah! Next you'll be saying candidates should release their tax returns. What good is transparency if you can't hide behind it?

 

Ha!

[Tampitump]

I'm not perfect, not by any means. My approach last night certainly wasn't representative of my best, and I could have done better while being more respectful.

 

That said, my core points remain and "inaccurate, exaggeration, hyperbole, strawman, and wrong" are factual observations, not dismissable as derogatory as you've just done (though, "unfounded nonsense" may be).

Well, just come right on over to the Tampitump camp and we'll fix you right up with some disrespectful attitude and misanthropy.

[iNow]

Colin Kaepernick's protest in non-violent and still negatively received. It seems that the tyle of protest is easier to attack than the content.

Right, we're looking for a non-violent, non-unpatriotic, non-ethnic, non-offensive sort of non-protest. And could you do that someplace we can't see it...? Thanks, buh-bye.