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Direct comparisons are not really meaningful and comment about making money in health care often does not make a lot of sense. For example, is health care in China a for-profit system? Or does it aim to be revenue neutral? Are there mixed elements (e.g. private hospitals vs public hospitals)? What is the difference in salaries? What is the outcome? I.e., there are many factors to consider and especially if a health care system is designed to cover cost, rather than generate profits, you cannot really apply the idea of profit (i.e., making money) to the equation.

You can make that for any other comparison. IIRC private insurance is a top up from the regular insurance and is a tiny fraction. I.e. it is not just the additional funds, but because the public system takes care of much of the basics. Also, the per capita expenditure for health in Denmark is lower than Norway, but as mentioned, has shorter wait times. Again, the issue is somewhat complicated and generally the US is the easiest to identify issues, as it has the largest discrepancy between cost vs outcome. Obviously, investment plays a role, but also how the system is set up.

It is not that easy, though. For example, Denmark has some of lowest wait for hip replacements and it is a single-payer system. Canada and UK are just below OECD17 average and Norway with Australia, with a mixed model have longer wait times. For the US I have seen varying times (some median values exceed OECD averages, but I have not looked in detail at their data collection), plus the fact that folks not covered by insurance likely won't get one.

Generally speaking, single-payer systems have on average lower cost but there are often issues compared to mixed models. The US is the highest in cost, with worse outcomes on average. As expected the outcome is heavily skewed in the US by income. Mixed models can be fairly odd but most cost are publicly funded with some elements sometimes requiring private insurance. In some systems you can also opt out and do full private, but typically with strong limitations (e.g., unable to return to public system once out). Each of them is on average doing better than the US. But as Swansont mentioned, a key element in all of those (except US) is that the systems are set up to cover expenses, rather than trying to maximize profit by denying care. Also, it is easier to blame and demand systemic change from the government (and many folks are angry about their health care, even if it is better than in the US), rather than from companies.

I think only few countries are actually government employees. Canada is weird, it is single payer, but MDs are basically self-employed and often functionally incorporated and they bill the provinces. They are fully or partially government employees if they work in hospitals, IIRC. Most other countries are not single payer but often have a mixed system. But there self-employment makes more sense (plus government run facilities).

I have not read in detail all the posts, but I would like to point out that there ares studies on the use of human or other waste in agriculture. One aspect that has been promotes was the use of biosolids, which are processed byproducts of wastewater treatment. Now, there are a couple of issues, but from what I remember they are not unique to human manure. A couple of things that one found is that even after treatment (compost or biosolids) antimicrobial resistance determinants persist. That is a health concern, but again, not specific to human waste). In waste, we often also are able to measure a range of chemicals (e.g. pharmaceuticals, pesticides, heavy metals and other contaminants). In some studies, some livestock and surprisingly many wastewater samples (i.e. human waste) had heavy metal levels beyond safe limits, which have raised question regarding the safe use of biosolids. However, not all of that might be attributed to human waste exclusively as some sewer lines might also connect to industrial waste (but many pharmaceuticals and personal care product contamination is likely caused by human urine/feces). There is also some work on microbial risk and I think human urine is comparatively safe it has usually lower microbial contamination. Others, remain a risk (and again, composting or even heat treatment is insufficient), but I am not sure whether there is an increased risk over agricultural manure (neither are risk-free, though). Generally speaking, the use of manure (human and animal) is strongly associated with risk of contamination with harmful bacteria (including mentioned E. coli as well as Salmonella, Listeria, Shigella, etc.). If present, even regular cooking might not enough to fully decontaminate, especially as certain toxins are fairly heat stable. Some have raised the issue that pathogens present in human feces might be better adapted to re-infect humans, but I do not know if studies have substantiated that (as in, I have not looked, not that those don't exist).

I should have clarified, what I meant are not tool uses, but the constant need to interact with it, even when there is no functional need. I started off with listing examples, but it got a little bit unfocused, so I am giving only one example for now: When there is any down time, even if it was for a minute or two, especially younger folks immediately grab their cell phones, not to look up or note down info for example, but searching for distractions (social media, videos, messages etc.). In cases where they are not allowed to, they get visibly upset and fidgety, not unlike smokers who are not able to get their smoking breaks. This extends to odd situations, for example if they are not able to follow training. I originally thought that they were looking up other instructions (rather than asking me directly) but as it turns out, they are actually looking at posts and videos to distract themselves. When confronted, they argument is that they are stressed out and needed something to feel better. This is is just a limited example, but the use of a cell phone as soothing mechanism (or to give a dopamine hit), even if detrimental on many levels and the need to use it, even in inappropriate situations and to their own detriments does have strong similarities to addictive behaviour. I will also add that we all know that the various engagement platforms use addiction-promoting algorithms and I do think that we are seeing associated behavioural patterns emerging because of that.

While OP is a complaint post more than anything, I think there might be an interesting question regarding reliance on a specific type of electronics. While in isolation it is perhaps just a hassle, cell phones have become an universal tool for everything, ranging from purchases to entertainment. The way some folks interact with it, is pretty much close to addictive behaviour. By increasingly requiring it for services is likely going to make it more difficult to disconnect.

A big issue is that the lack of critical thinking creates a positive feedback loop where you do not even need forces with an agenda to create harmful movements. I think in the past it was necessary, as otherwise these trends would fade away, but due to the viral effect of the internet (which is a fitting description in more than one way), it can sustain itself. In some cases I suspect that the propaganda was not actually started by certain players, but that it was harnessed by them. Many of these are examples have started as joke and got accelerated themselves to a point where they could be weaponized. I think one has to start thinking of these issues less of a targeted weapon by enemy forces, but rather a self-perpetuating disease where the only defense is inoculation with skills that allow us to critically evaluate and gain knowledge.

Wait, are you suggesting he bought it without being high?

Ooof, I hear you. My perspective is certainly skewed as I work in an area where we try to sharpen critical thinking. It is critical tool to actually learn anything related to science, after all. We do see it in this very forum where intuition is often used as an alternative with some, let's say interesting results. The issue I see is that with the terminal online generation, there are fewer sensible folks walking away from nonsense. Or even able to understand that there is nonsense. It is strange. If confronted, many of the young students clearly state that the internet is full of misinformation. Yet, at the same time, they are so bad at spotting it, and are vehemently defending misinformation. And I cannot even spot a pattern. You can have folks who are very sensible in many areas but suddenly are dead sure that vaccines have microchips, because they heard it from reliable sources. In the past, it was possible to track certain lines of misinformation and debunk them in class. I.e., there was some kind of underlying hypothesis, such as how e.g. homeopathic formulations are supposed to work and one could use it as a learning exercise and use scientific reasoning to explain why it is nonsense. Now it is a deluge of just random claims which makes it very difficult and disheartening to disassemble. I think paradoxically, the internet and social media technology has amplified feeling over reasoning (as the former is so much easier to monetize). The exact opposite what we in the past have thought about the impact of technology in our lives. And apparently you hurt their feelings if you confront folks with actual facts on the regular, too. At this point some think there is some courtesy in accepting clear misinformation. What I am saying is that I am increasingly in the role of a grumpy old man and I am not sure I like that.

I think it gives one man too much credit. Gaslighting is a concerted effort from many online groups and "alternate" media of which Fox can be considered a moderate version. While he has been an excellent figure head, there are dozens if not hundreds of online personalities (and Trump has met with many of them) that are part of it. The whole Q anon movement started out as a prank, essentially. Also, the same movement is active across borders and is frequently linked to local right-wing movements. I think focusing on Trump is a bit too US-centric and misses some of the world-wide developments we have. It is certainly not just one thing. I.e., it would also be too simplistic to point to Russia and China as instigators, but there is a confluence of multiple technological, societal and educational developments that makes a person such as Trump to be able to wield tremendous powers.

I am sorry to say, but I don't think that this phenomenon is caused by Trump. They are dependent on it and amplify it, for sure but it is symptom, rather than cause. Which in many ways makes it worse.

Looks like yet another case where the internet amplifies erroneous information and dampens critical evaluation of observations. At least at that time folks realized it was a joke. Somehow along the way, satire became reality.

It is weird and self-defeating how putting sucessful efforts into dealing with things don't seem to get recognition.